Let me open my post here with this: CIndy Jackson, daughter of Donna Woods, niece of Dee Pigsley, cousin of Brenda Bremner, friend of Tina Retasket, cousin of Bud Lane......oh yeah and (Expletive deleted - Admin) !
Lisa Brown and Lynette Warren - you guys REALLY need to get a life. I cannot believe that you spend so much time spewing lies and are so misinformed! I think you 2 lie SO much that you ACTUALLY BELIEVE what you say on this website and in your looooooooong speeches at Council meetings!
Let me say this....Don't you EVER start talking crap about my Mom, Donna Woods! She is a good woman who, despite all the BS you guys talk about her family, is ALWAYS cordial with you!! She is very honest and dedicated to her Tribe!
I think that you guys are SO jealous of the fine and VERY PROFESSIONAL job that Dee Pigsley and Brenda Bremner do you can't stand it! So that's why you need to lie about them. They do not play into your game of lies and deceit....They do their jobs and don't waste their time on all the trivial crap you guys write about. NO ONE in a tribal job (whether it be a paying job or a job on a committee) owes you any explanation! I don't know how you think YOU should be answered to by people working for the betterment of our tribe. You are no one in the grand scheme of things - just another enrolled tribal member.
I am going to write about an incident at the Restoration celebration. I kinda figure it may be a waste of time since this websites is monopolized by your morons who share a brain. But in the event that someone "outside the group" reads this, then it will be time well spent. I am going to try and find a way to make sure every tribal member hears this story, though........
I was at Lisa Brown's vendor table waiting to get a calendar that she borrowed for "a couple of minutes" and three hours later I needed to retrieve it.
She was talking to Dino Butler when I approached. So I just stood and waited until she was finished. When I heard "Dee Pigsley's" name mentioned I paid more attention. Lisa went on telling Dino how Dee was illegally running Council and and doing such a bad job. And that she (Lisa) needs to get on Council and TAKE OVER. She talked about block voting to achieve this. I was stunned! ESPECIALLY WHEN I COME ON HERE AND SEE THAT YOU HAVE PUT UP THE LETTER OF THE LANE FAMILY BLOCK VOTING! You actually believe it's OK for other families to do it but NOT the Lane's. I don't know how you can come to that conclusion.
Anyway, all the lies she was telling to Dino and NOT ONE TIME did she say how she could benefit our tribe by serving on council or good ideas she had. Her only motivation is to "get Dee!" What a pathetic woman she is (Lisa).
People need to be reminded what a fiasco our Council and Tribe became under the leadership of Lillie Butler and Pat Duncan! It boggles my mind that tribal members would be stupid enough to vote for people just to "get Dee" at the risk of destroying our tribe.
This is not the childish little game you think it is people. It's our TRIBE, our PEOPLE, our COUNCIL and our BUSINESSES! Are you so ignorant that you cannot see that we need people in leadership who's main objective is to lead our tribe into bigger and better things? I know, for myself, I want someone representing my tribe who is professional and intelligent, not whiny little brats who just cause trouble everywhere they go.
As a side note - I have NEVER liked block voting! I choose who I vote for, etc. But you have made me a believer! Alot of other people I know, too, have changed and decided to block vote - just by seeing all your crap.....
One time the Lane's said to back Pat Duncan....supposedly she backed the same issues we did. As I always do, I checked out different people who I was considering. I made a call to Siletz (I lived in CA at the time). I called Pat. I said, "Pat, how do you stand on opening our rolls?" She said, "I am against it." YET she told our family she was all for it!! Needless to say I passed that info on and the Lane's didn't support her.
Those of you who read this and are not part of the "share a brain" clan please keep in mind that people lie and pull all kinds of dirty tricks to get elected and further their own agenda! They are not much different than those who just ran in the national election. Check things out for yourself. DON'T believe everything people write on here or things they tell you. GO TO THE SOURCE AND FIND OUT FOR YOURSELF......Isn't that the smart thing to do?
Censored....
Hmmm wasn't it Lynette and Lisa who were complaining about not getting a letter printed in the Tribal paper? Calling it "censorship?" And now look.......I have been censored by THEM LOL for using the "B" word............
Just another tribal member...
Cindy Jackson writes:
I am just another enrolled tribal member. I've never claimed otherwise.
It says quite a lot about you that you think someone who is "just another enrolled tribal member" is "no one in the grand scheme of things". We mere enrolled tribal members are often treated as nobodies "in the grand scheme of things".
But we mere enrolled tribal members have a right to accountability from our Tribal Council. We have a right to fair elections. We have a right to request information from our Tribal Council . And we have a right to criticize the performance of our tribal government.
Block Voting
Cindy Jackson writes:
As I said at the recent General Council meeting, I have no objection to "block voting", as some call it. There is nothing wrong political supporters campaigning for their candidates, whether they are related or not.
However, it was highly unethical for Tina Retasket to campaign for Dee Pigsley and Bud Lane while Tina was on the Election Board.
And it was unethical for Tribal Chairman Dee Pigsley to whitewash Tina Retasket's removal from the Election Board. Voters had a right to know the facts.
"Just a Tribal Member"
Good am all,
I also am "just a Tribal Member" this makes me no more and also makes me no less either. I do care where our Tribe is and as the saying goes "Our strongest strength is our weakest link" and as a Tribal member I enjoy reading hearing the Business aspects of OUR Tribe. All the news may not be good, therefore if we ( the Siletz Tribe) is as strong as it's weakest link", this weak link . This aspect is looked at from most of the Fortune 500 Company's, U.S. Millitary ( best friend in the reserve's) and many many local Businesses small and large alike. Some if not all hire out of area Audits to see where their week link is fix it,this allows for "out of the box thinking and stragety" more importantly fixing a problem/ concern/issue, pursuing a money making Suscessful Business instead of how fast can CTSI dull out the dough....
To achieve suscess one must "critisize" , to seek out the "weekest link" and strengthen it. I as a supervisor and floor Supervisor have noted this and emplimented measures to strengthen this and I did take critism for this. Low and behold what happned is a more sucessfull shift/ Business oppeeration's I am speaking of the time spent opperating the Buffet and other Chinook Wind's Food and Beverage Department's Rogue River Room, Deli EmployeeDinig Area Etc. I have never owned a busness, althought I have been in the bottom working in the trenches so to say, and the backbone of businesses are the little people in the trenches working their behind off; I have line cook III, sous Chef's, Executive Chef's , Floor Manager's and Food and Beverage Managers come and go litterly on a daily basis, yet the one's who did the work and kept the door's open and opperating were the little people. Little people like ("Tribal members" and non Tribal alike all we wanted was sucess). The one's here trying to critisize in the name of wanting to seek sucess in many differant areas.
CTSI Administration, Chinook Wind's, Ohio business( cannot recall the phantom name, I say phantom due to myself sitting in the General Council meeting 2007 when certain people were speaking of the Ohio based Business comeing to Oregon) even I had vision's of Employment from this Business aspect, however it never panned out and from what I reacall/ gather from this site and Siletznews papper, it will most likely never come, I am VERY saddned by this hope goneagain. However I do look forward if it does, prayer is needed for ALL. CTSI did pay money to relieve Ohio U.S. Areoteam from bankrupcy status and paid I do not know how much exactly but I herd it was in the million or two(again sitting and listning at the CTSI General Council Mtg. 2007).
I was at the 2007, CTSI Tribal Council meeting's I did not understand all, but I did hear money being payed, also representives offering "Future" Employment to MANY Siletz Tribal member's once opperation's were up and running. Aspect's of either being Employed on the ground level up for River Reclamation and U.S. Areo team were in my mind VERY EXCITING to me and several others I spoke with. To date there is no business here or in Oregon for Siletz Tribal Members to apply to make themselves on the ground level and up that I have knowledge of no mention in the Tribal Newspapper or the annual Neskillahee(spelled wrong, SORRY) Report. I was again saddend when I found out that none of this was trully going to transpire. Here is a weak link, giving money away( I say countless due to my ignornce of not knowing the exact ammount lost, I mean given away, I mean spent on what I would call "they sure seen the CTSI comming " and took advantage ( my opnion) them/us for a rollercoaster ride on the moneytrain
Now to the strength, I can see attempt's on few CTSI Admin. Departments trying to better for our Tribe, by changes within CTSI Admin. policy's and Procedure, one example is now if a tribal member need's to have a copy made and I for One do not own a copy machine, one must pay for this. All my life youth and adult if a Siletz Tribal member needed this service it was FREE to the Siletz Tribal member no matter the content. Only requirement was being of Tribal Member in NEED, wow what a caring opperation for SILETZ TRIBAL MEMBERSHIP...., CTSI Administration.
Several other small changes various department's not listed. A "few" is not a whole team and I and my opnion is that the whole team need's to be on the same page and not on differant agendas/ Topics untill one is completed and resolved; while at the same meeting's . Can the Tribal Council talk about one subject, adress issues, concern's and probality of posative growth , then go to the next? I do not know for sure. I feel my opnion is that of a tetter totter ride... I have not seen this done, this does not mean it has not, though if it were maybe it was so small and mute it was not publicised. However I am not at ALL Council Meeting's and espically the "Executive Sescion's" which from incerts in Tribal papper and locally here in Sietz, there is a huge ammount of decsion making here in this forum of "Executive Secsion".
So for the betterment of doubt I will give them a posative one for I have no knowledge of Executive session and cannot differance in the topics or more importantly the outcome which here in Siletz.net some or most if not all comes out in one way or another.
I understand stragety and PRIVACY, but how does the negatvity of loosing millon's of dollars in differant time's, differant businees, differant ideas, turn out a posative business and betteremnt for our Tribe? in the meantime having the same Management/Council(of coarse only certain one's being spoken of and I will not name for I do not direct this to a certain person or perosn(s) doing the same. I was told the defanation of insanity is repeating the same action and the reults are the same, again my opnion and utalizing a fraze that I recall not directed at anyone directly or indirectly, simply speaking my opnion and mind freedom of speach please.
Please I am offering opnions and what I have seen and herd in 2007 CTSI General Tribal Council l Meeting's. I may be wrong in some, and I applogize if I am and will as always post true and accurate fact's before posting them. I took note's and recall the various speakers telling stories of growth and unrivalled Business of posative nature; that if the Siletz Tribe goes into business with who ever CTSI will be a grand and SUCESSFULL Business partner. Now Ohio is not here, chains are on gates to the hundred's of thousand's of dollars spent on this and then the aspect of ATTORNEY fee's and Law firms, that mat very well take Litigation month;s of not year's to setle on agreament's meanwhile the Sieltz Tribal peolple will again do without. I wonder how much longer this will happen. How will it be diverted to a trully sucessfull businesses and turn Tribal Membership into greater services and ALL need's met.??? I thank you all for taking your time to read my opnion's sincerly, Glenn Yarbrough.
Just The Same....
"just another enrolled tribal member..." meaning we are ALL THE SAME. No one person or no one family is better than anyone else!!
Yes, we do have the right to fair elections....IMO that is what we always have!
Yes, we do need to hold our tribal council accountable. Not just ONE or TWO Councilmembers - ALL OF THEM! But not by accusations and lies. By honest and open dialogue. And we must be able to learn that there are just some things we do not have the right to know.....just like in our jobs or any other organizations we are members of.
We elect a tribal council to leave the business matters to THEM! Just like we elect a president of our country to run the country!
FYI - Comments rec'd from Tribal members/Elders/TC Members
> Your attachment from a lady does not sound like a lady!!
> I am damn proud of you for not reacting to Warren Woods' outburst. It was soooooo juvenile not worthy of a response,,,, sooner or later he will pay for his childishness, the great spirit will see to that.
> Anytime someone treats you like that, you should just keep on walking. You are above that, I know it is hard not to respond to jerks like that. They are trying to create a situation where you will look like a jerk too. Don't let them pull you down to them.
>Mr. Woods' did not deserve a response - a response only serves to intensify his attack. So damn ridiculous.
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Cindy, if I may, or Miss/Mrs. Jackson?,
As I respond, briefly, I remind you and your father-in-law, that I apologized, sincerely, for not returning your calendar earlier.
I will not apologize for having an opinion. Nor will I apologize for the accusation, by your father-in-law, as he could not, did not specify to which he referred as being a "lie".
I bring the same challenge to you, to present the specifics of what you refer to as being not a true representation of what has been printed in a Tribal publication, the Tribal Council minutes, or being stated in a Committee meeting, or in a financial document referencing budget/expenditures for our Tribal government.
You state you worked for the defense department? Then you are aware, that the government has an obligation to provide information on details, thru the Freedom of Information Act [FOIA]. It is this process that has led Lynette Warren and myself, plus several other Tribal members to access documents detailing financial figures related to Housing and Health program expenditures, as well as 2008 salaries for Brenda Bremner of $114,400.00, and salary for Tina Retasket, Assistant General Manager of $96,948.00.
These figures are PUBLIC records, due to the requirement for submission of these figures, to calculate the Indirect Rate thru the Federal Government. In regards to this information, I have another opinion: This is unacceptable - it is incomprehensible, for our administrative personnel to earn close to and MORE than the Governor! While many Tribal members go without health care services, often receiving a letter stating the service is DEFERRED, while people in high places earn exorbitant salaries.
I please, ask you to relay to me, and other readers, your familiarity with the history of the Siletz Tribe, since 1988, when those serving in administration began the process to change the government structure, to morph that of the Bureau of Indian Affairs.
I believe once you are familiar with this occurrence in detail, you will come to realize that our own Tribal entity has become the very government machine, that we as Native people sought to be freed from in the throes of legal genocide or termination.
I welcome your civil and fact founded reply. I do not have any such personal vendetta, against any of the Tribal Council members, as you implied. My apprehension is founded in principle, and as a result of viewable and documentable actions, rather than anything personal.
I wish you and your family well, and I hope that you and I can begin a process of debate and discourse, regarding the issues that exist within our Tribal venues.
In closing, I ask respectfully, can you please let me know specifically what it is you claim was represented as an untruth? I will be most happy to provide you with the documentation you desire.
In closing, as I apologized to your father-in-law, I apologize to you, that I was so late in returning your calendar, it was never my intention to distress you so.
Bien à vous,
Lisa L. Brown, CPS
PO Box 586, Siletz, OR 97380
www.allnativecreations.com
nadosh2@yahoo.com
A reply to Lisa
First of all, since you always seem to be informed on who's related to whom.......Warren Woods is NOT my father-in-Law, he is my Father.
I am fully aware of FOIA - that has been in existence for many many years.
I'm just not understanding why you think you need to know what people's salaries are! In all businesses people are compensated (fairly) for the responsibilities they have and the duties they perform. Would you agree that Brenda's job is equivalent to that of a CEO of any large business? IMO that is the case. And being the case, she could make ALOT more money in the private sector as a CEO.
When you think of the enormous duties and responsibilities she has then you should see that salary is fair. I will tell you - I wouldn't have her job for all the money in the world. THe job in and of itself is hard enough - add to that people who make accusations and are always causing problems - it's not worth it - IMO.
There are ALWAYS going to be things that people don't like about the way things are run or who's in charge. There are things in our tribe that "I" feel should be done differently....BUT when I look at the whole picture, I feel that things are done well - all things considered.
As I attended our Restoration event, I was reflecting on how far our tribe has come. We have a beautiful casino, many business ventures and so many opportunities available to us. We (all tribal members) have SO much to be proud of....and yet there is such dissension among our people.
As we rode back to Salem Saturday night, I thought about my Grama Lane. She knew ALL those families in Siletz for so many years. She was friends with them. The kids from those families played together and went to school together. Those people worked together and struggled together. During that time, our Tribe was not existent. Over the years I saw her always talking with all the people in Siletz and laughing with them....never degrading them or taking issue with them. Now we are restored and have so much to celebrate and there is always drama......It's very sad.
What boggles my mind the most is that you are always complaining and causing troubles......yet ALL TRIBAL MEMBERS OF VOTING AGE have the right to cast their ballot in every tribal election. Our Council represents those whom tribal members want in leadership. So who are YOU to accuse those "elected" councilmembers of things? We tribal people voted them "in" and if we don't want them we tribal people can voted them "out." It's really quite simple.
Reflections
SiletzLady wrote:
I knew your grandmother, Maude Lane, too. She was also my great aunt. Though, she wasn't a tribal member, she took an interest in tribal affairs. She was cheerful and curious, the same as Lisa Brown is now, and I admired your grandmother for that. Your grandmother, Maude Lane, also didn't shrink from controversy. I remember 13 years ago in 1995, I was standing with Maude at a General Council meeting when your aunt, Gladys Bolton, got up to speak. Gladys was up at the podium, criticizing the Tribal Council and your aunt, Dee Pigsley, for their overspending and for not keeping the membership informed.
Your grandmother, Maude, wasn't nervous about it. She looked at me, smiled and said, "Oh, sisters fighting..." She was exhilarated and amused by it. She wasn't worried or sad because Gladys was openly expressing dissenting opinions in those days. She seemed happy and proud of Gladys for speaking her mind. She had the wisdom to realize that airing opinions doesn't hurt the tribe. It's healthy for the membership to air their concerns. Many of our people remain spirited and curious, like your grandmother was, and we're entitled to information and accountability from our tribal government as much today as we were 13 years ago.
Lynette
UNITY
I believe that much of what I read, most especially from Lisa and Lynette isn't about only two council members, its about the many bad investments made by the Tribal Council, both past and present. How many millions of dollars have been lost? STEDCO's initial concept was indeed a good one, had it remained a separate autonomous entity of the tribe. But we know how long that lasted and when you look at the backgrounds of our current council members or even past, who has a business background. Its really no offense intended here, but this is an honest to goodness question.
My concern isn't just about our tribal money or investments and it doesn't seem to be their (Lisa and Lynette)only political platform either.
Our Tribal Council I feel needs to slow down, take a big look at the whole scheme of things and re-group. Especially with the economy the way it is, there is no other choice. Its time to get back to the basics and cut back and remember the first priorities when the tribe first fought for recognition. It was then Health, Education and General Welfare of the people. I might add that "Grandma Maude Lane" was one sitting in the audience at most all of those meetings. She to me is a tribal person! Thats how I feel about this great woman.
Siletz Lady commented on our tribe was non existent during that time. Our tribe goes way beyond Nov. 18, 1977, time out of mind is how some of our elders say. If we would learn about the way our people truly lived before removal to this prisoner of war camp, that is now the Siletz reservation, we wouldn't be on this computer airing our views. We would be living well and that is what I think needs to happen for our people to heal, is to go back in time. And be a tribal family once again, not the good ole' boys way or the conquer and divide mentality that is so rampant in our people and society in general. Its called Historical Genocide. Many of our people know what happen with the Jews, its taught in our public schools, we need to know our own trail of tears, our own genocide before we can heal as a people.
People Magazine, November 17, 2008, I'd like to share this quote, "I will always be honest with you about the challenges we face"-President-Elect, Barack Obama.
Brenda Bremner is nothing like a CEO in the private sector
Cindy Jackson writes:
Because we pay those salaries.
Absolutely not. Brenda is a politically appointed government official, which is nothing like the CEO of a profitable business. CEO's get large salaries to generate revenue for their companies. Brenda generates no revenue for the tribe.
It makes more sense to compare Brenda to other *government* executives. Brenda makes a lot more than the Governor of Oregon, who manages a state with 3.7 million citizens and a budget of over 40 billion dollars.
That's nonsense because Brenda has no track record of generating revenue, she just spends it.
A reasonable salary range for our General Manager would be from $60,000 to $70,000. And Brenda would probably still be doing the job because she doesn't have any realistic prospect of making more anywhere else. Brenda was a Physical Education teacher before her Aunt Dee fast-tracked her for General Manager.
Reply....
Well obviously we have differing opinions on that matter.
Brenda has alot of duties and responsibilities and should be compensated accordingly. The fact that she does a good job also should be factored in.
She has a college degree and is certainly qualified to do her job. Everyone had to apply for jobs for the tribe and go thru the whole process, etc. And I know FOR A FACT that Dee ALWAYS recuses herself on those things that involve family members.
Ya know....I have called the tribal offices many times over the years. Different departments, different people, etc..Not just in Siletz but the Salem Area Office as well. It is shocking how many people (working for the tribe) don't answer phone messages, don't follow through, don't find solutions, pass along bogus information, etc etc and yet I have NEVER heard you and Lisa addressing those issues.....probably because it doesn't involve Dee's relatives! And to me, assisting tribal members when they call for help for information should be first and foremost. Are they not there to help tribal members?
EXAMPLE:
Norma in the Salem Area Office NEVER returns phone calls! Two months ago I called and left FIVE voicemails for her! NOT ONE TIME DID SHE CALL ME BACK. I ended up having to make a trip over to that office and speak to someone else!
I went to the Garden Party last May and pictures were taken of each of the people there. I had a pic take with my Aunt Sis. We were told to contact the office (in Salem) to get copies. I waited TWO months and contacted them. I don't know who handled it but everytime I called they gave me the run around. Then I talked to Bev THREE different times on this issue. I STILL DON'T HAVE THE PICS! I was told they don't know how to print them and would probably take them to WalMart!
Last year I called for the enrollment Office. I don't know who the person was they transferred me to. But I was transferred to that office FOUR times and to this day have not gotten a call back!
On FOUR separate occasions I called the Pharmacy for refills on my meds. I left the info on their automated line. After waiting almost a week each time, I was told "somehow" they didn't get mailed. OOPS!
I have called our Clinic during REGULAR business hours only to have the phone ring and ring (not being answered) and end up leaving voicemails with NO CALL BACK!
And there isn't enough time for me to list the MANY MANY issues I have had with Contract Care! In particular, Judy Muschamp, who does NOT know or do her job! And why she is still in that position is a mystery to me!!
Instead of people always carrying out their vendettas on things that seemingly dont exist, I would LOVE to see some of the REAL issues in our tribe addressed.
The ONLY office in our tribe that impresses me is the STBC. I have dealings with them and they are extremely professional. They return calls, provide information and are always available to help when needed.